Today we have the wonderful Tor Charlesworth.
Yeah, we’re gonna talk a lot of stuff in a minute. Firstly, congratulations to Eddy Thrower who’s just had his little baby boy.
Oh Yeah! Congrats Eddie!
Mr. Tiny Travis. Travis.
Tiny Travis yeah. Great name.
Exactly. So congratulations. Eddy actually replied to me on Instagram. I sent him a message to check out the podcast I done with Neil, because we kind of name dropped a lot of people and he replied, and I was like ‘Ah thanks Bro!’ And he went to check it out.
Oh, nice that’s really cool!
I actually got a reply from Stan Bicknell as well… She doesn’t know who you are, dude. You gotta get on Stan Bicknell.
To be honest I’m really, can swear?
I’m really shit with names…
He’s the dude with the crazy foot.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I think I know what guy you’re on about. He doesn’t use a double pedal he just uses a single pedal. Yeah, I’ll follow him.
But yeah, he shouted me out. Okay so I first heard of Tor and she doesn’t know this yet through Luke Hill, which is a friend of mine, because he was in a band called…
Cool Kids Assemble.
Cool Kids Assemble.Yes.
Oh, yeah. Okay, that was years ago now.
Only cool kids can come up with that name. But he gave me the Vanilla EP.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I had to think… Yeah we did an EP.
Yes you did and it was awesome! Do you remember the video you did with it?
In the coffee shop and the superhero graphics.
This was pretty much like, Ed’s idea and Ed’s baby. He’s the lead singer and he wrote everything. We all were just kind of like ‘oh, yeah, we want to do it with you Ed’ And yeah, that whole day on remember that now it’s got to be six, seven years ago. I just remember been really cold that day actually. That’s about it. I’ve actually that day Tony Hawk replied to me on Instagram.
Nice, there you go. Tony Hawk first name drop.
In the Diamond Hope we shot a video in a warehouse in middle of December over two cold nights and we were just like freezing. But yeah, so what happened after Cool Kids?
I don’t think I was in an originals band… I was kind of with a covers band and we did a lot gigs pretty much every weekend in Dover, Folkestone, Ashford etc. And that was really my life for a long time. And then that all kind of fizzled out. And then I was kind of depping for loads of bands, sort of gigs kept coming in. That was pretty much it in terms of music. I did a really cool dep with an R&B singer in London, we played KoKo. So that was amazing. That was in there somewhere. Apart from that It was pretty much just standard, you know, cover gigs and local bars and that.
On your Instagram you did a flashback like 10 years ago and then there was like this embarrassing pic of you 10 years.
So when did you start playing? If that was 10 years ago…
I was 13. So yes, way past 10 years ago it’s been a long time now. Because my dad’s a guitarist, obviously guitars in the house all your life and then I just didn’t like the way that the strings hurt the end of my fingers when I tried to play so I decided I’d rather have the pain on the bottom of my finger like from the stick. Then I just decided to have lessons. I used to go to Yamaha Music School, in Wincheap with Jason McCluskey, really cool local drummer. I think he teaches at Canterbury Uni now, not Canterbury Uni it’s the one that’s partnered with Christ Church and they also campus out in Thanet. He taught me for a while, and now that’s nearly well over 10 years, which was kind of crazy when you look back at yourself and you think ‘Oh My God I was 13 and now I’m not 13 and it’s actually been 15 plus years.’
So obviously music was all around when you were growing up so it was inevitable.
Yeah I think so, no one pushed me to do anything. I think I was just, back in school we had some pretty bad music lessons, but there was one there was one day when there was a drum kit and a friend of mine was like playing a really basic beat and I was like ‘Ah come on try and teach me!’ I couldn’t do it but I was like ‘I’m actually going to try and learn, I’m going to go have a lesson and it’s gone on from there.
So how did Salvation Jayne come about?
Well, I first met Dan, who’s the bass player at his studio, Anchor Baby because I decided I wanted to get some drum covers done over there and I messaged him and I said could you do like mic the kit up and just generally be there and make it sound fairly decent because I was doing drum covers, been doing forever. I was only using like, one mic in my spare bedroom, which is great, but I’m kinda limited with the way I can position my drum kit and wanted a nice face on couple of videos. So I went over to see Dan and then it wasn’t even that long after that he kind of messaged me saying; ‘Salvation Jayne doesn’t have a drummer, and do you think you’d be up for it?’ And at the time, they were kind of like, did blues stuff in the blues circuit and he said ‘we’re coming out of that we want to do your own rock originals’ and I was just like ‘you know what I’m up for something original’ so I was like ‘yeah, I’ll join you guys.’ Went over there and chatted to them all met Holly. They had a different singer then it was Amy and then when I joined, I’d say probably six months or so later is when Chess joined. So officially, it’s been three years with this line-up but they’ve been going for quite a few years as like a blues kind of covers.
So was that from the remains of Black Waterside Project because Dan was in that.
Yeah, well Black Water had Adam, who you met, and Joe who was supposed to be depping with us on tuesday, I think Holly was in there. Maybe she was. I think they kind of did quite a few gigs and they supported…. I can’t think who they supported now? Quiet a cool band. But yeah, Dan’s kind of been around for ages. So if you’re local you’re kinda going to know him so he just asked me an here we are.
So obviously, you just played the Quarterhouse, and you’ve just signed with an agency…
A booking agent.
Midnight Mango yeah.
Congratulations by the way.
Real Big Fish.
So lets talk about the Quarterhouse gig then. It looked insane how was it for you? That wasn’t your first headline show but it was…
It wasn’t but it finally felt like it was because when you play a venue like that it’s just it feels complete different the whole night felt just like different because I mean for a start when I went to pick up my parents and we turn up walking past people in the queue getting their tickets and I go ‘oh my god I kind of feel important right now.’ Like ‘put these tickets aside for this person etc…’ and you’ve got someone there doing your sound, someone’s there doing your lighting, you’ve got people like the promoter who was like milling around helping us do this and the other, making sure we had towels etc and our manager was in and out. It just kind of felt like ‘Oh, this is probably what a gig is supposed to feel like.’ When you’re in a pub and you’re gigging in bars and we’ve played in some pretty dingy places in London, you kind of show up, you’re there, you’re sat up in around the stage, kind of watching people lug all their kit on and off and it was quite nice just to have my kit set up and we sound check before everyone else. I didn’t have to go up there and start putting my cymbals on etc.. just get up there and play straight away it’s nice. So we’re not going to do another like local headline show for a while now since we’ve done that one, but it was just really cool that all those people just were there to see you.
What was it like 4/500?
Yeah and they we’re there to see us! It’s really emotional. You know when you go out on stage and it’s like ‘I’m gonna cry, I need to let that emotion go and just play and just hope I don’t fuck it up, basically.’
So I think it was the first time I saw Salvation Jayne was at the Booking Hall in Dover you played with the Young Hearts? Yeah. So that was the first time I think I saw you play drums live and yeah, just incredibly tight.
Okay, that’s good. Thank God for that.
Not that I ever thought differently, but yeah, you were just on the button and some of the fills you were doing. I just kind of wanted to pack my stuff up and go home! Even Neil last week is just kind of bowed down to the talent that is Tor.
Speed Of Sound.
You’re welcome. I have seen your covers on Instagram, you know do you like to shed for hours and hours? Did you used to?
No, not really just, I mean, well, I guess when I was practicing, the only thing I was ever really doing is sticking songs on that had just released that week and playing along with them. I was never like, right I’ve got to do what Eddie does; an hour warm up, and then an hour of what I need to learn for whatever gig… that’s never been what I did, maybe it will be in future but it’s never been my process. I always just wanted to play along to songs and then try and make sure that I’m in time and in the pocket. Then I’ve gotta try and see how these fills are going to sound, am I coming in on one or is it sounding scrappy? And that’s pretty much it. I like pop songs and hip hop because they’re great for that sort of thing. I never play along to rock songs ever really unless like, there’s a new song of ours that’s got a really fast drumbeat and I spent like two weeks playing along to…. Enema? Was it Enema Of The State? One of the Blink  albums basically.
Actually, I was like, wow, because when I first started drumming I could play those songs like no worries but now I’ve got older and I don’t really pay that because it’s all sort of half time, you know like hip hop, That I was like, wow, I’m actually, my right foot is not as hot as it used to be. Like my right arms not and my left is kind of weak. So I’m starting to try and get back up and start to those punk songs that are kind of… It’s not everything, speed. I’m not really a fan and give a crap about speed, but it’s good to have everything at a good a good level rather than….
Yeah, I mean, kind of took two years out of drumming when my son was born, then I got back into it and that’s when I joined Red Light [Runner]. And then just after that another band called Shark Party asked me to play…
That’s a good name! That’s a sick name.
Yeah, it was cool, but they wanted to wear Hawaiian tops on stage…
Let’s forget I said that.
It was kind of like up-tempo fast punk after not playing for two years…
You feel it.
And revisiting Blink  tracks for me now is just sort of like (makes panting gesture)
Sweat and your breathing as well… Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I don’t know how…
How we did it and how Travis [Barker] does it in fact.
Yeah, I mean he’s not Human.
Stick To The Program.
I think it was… it might have been Aaron Spears that I first heard talk about, like playing along to hip hop or something because they’re programmed drums and that kind of helps improve your time. So it’s kind of cool that, I don’t know if you heard that advice from anyone? But it’s kind of cool that you followed that and…
Yeah it’s just my music taste really.
It’s really worked wonders for your playing for sure.
It’s nice to hear from an outsider’s perspective, because there’s only so much self reflection and judgment you can do yourself. But yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s like I love watching all the gospel guys, and that is pretty much that I’m just I think everyone’s impressed by that but I just find that absolutely insane it would be amazing to try and do some of those fills like even yesterday, I sat there for an hour and was trying to learn this guy on YouTube I think it was one of the Drumeo things? I can’t remember the drummer but he was a gospel guy. And he was like just basically telling us to six stroke roll starting with your left hand and apply it around the kit differently all that kind of thing and he’s doing it really slow and I was trying to followa and then when he sped it up it sounded amazing! His snare was really tight, like really tight, around the toms, his left hand is amazing and yeah just smile I’m wanna be like that be like! Even Eddie [Thrower] as well like he’s so strong because he’s a rock drummer but he’s got he’s got the gospel in him and he’s got the chops and you rarely get both. I would just love to be exactly like that.
Yeah, he’s hands are just fluid.
Yeah his left hand is like [mimics fast drumming] ‘I’m not even moving my wrist’ but his left fingers just an amazing!
He must of just sat there for decades.
Doing that exercise that you have to do, trying to get your fingers working.
Yeah I watch Eddy’s stuff on Instgram.I always find with Instagram and stuff like that, as inspiring as it is there’s always that like ‘I’m just gonna hang my sticks up’ you know?
Haha yeah sure
There’s always that double edged sword like ‘that’s insane!’ vs ‘I’ll never be as good as that’
Yeah I mean Instagram and the Internet is just full of people’s best bits you never going to have someone putting on their crappy video of them… like I did it once there’s an Instagram video where I was really trying to do a fill in 5/4 and was just like ‘actually I’m going to put this up’. It’s not bad, I know the fills aren’t in and it’s a bit ropey but no one ever gets to see someone mess up like that and see someone trying to find the ropes. It’s all perfection. Everyone’s got that now when they do their covers, they’ve got that lovely set up you can hear everything’s miked up, they’ve got an amazing camera and everything’s tuned lovely… You know, people can’t afford that setup. You can’t afford that I like I say my house I haven’t got the space to get the angle and that sort of thing,perhaps if I had that, and I tried it wouldn’t be so bad.
I’ve put up a video in the past of me trying to do a linear Biffy Clyro song. I was just learning it and it just fell apart. I was like, I’m just gonna upload it because it’s human.
Oh God yeah.
That’s kind of why I got in here at Seaview so that I could get the kit up, get the lights, the cameras etc
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with that everyone would love to have it and if anyone’s got the opportunity to do it they’re gonna do it. It’s cool but, you know there’s a lot of people that don’t even have a drum kit to play on it’s literally just their pillow in their room.
Who Run The World? (Girls)
Yeah, I mean I’ve very rarely had a kit at home so it’s been practice pad all the way. Talking of Internet videos and stuff. Last time, Neil and I were talking about Kristina Schiano have you heard of her?
She’s the girl that does all the cover videos. She’s got blue SJC kit.
All right, okay, this is ringing a bell. Is it her that’s got loads of likes and stuff? Yeah I think I know who you mean. See I’m rubbish with names.
What I wanted to draw from that is that she made her career out of making these YouTube videos and stuff like that and that’s how she makes a living. But she’s got a lot of hate on Twitter, and stuff like that. Do you find being a female in music industry have you ever come up against any prejudice or any of that just because you’re a girl?
I think I’d be lying if I said no, but it’s definitely not the extent of what people think. To be honest, I don’t think, I’ve got a few videos on YouTube, none of them have reached millions, but they’re definitely a good few thousand and there’s not ever really any hate, but then again, I’m at such a small level to anyone else, she’s probably got millions of views so you’re going to get that. Like if the band does really well I’m bound to get hate in the future but in terms of like, being a female, it’s really a, It’s a different kind of thing at least as for me, because as long as I can play, and I think, you know, I’ve got enough like, you know, I know that I’m an all right drummer.
Yeah, so I know I’m not amazing, everyone can improve and all that, but I think that’s what people say to me and that’s what it’s kinda like. I don’t know if it’s a prejudice? You get some people say like ‘God you can actually play the drums!’ like they expect females to not actually be able to play… And it’s just like well, we’ve all got arms all got legs, that’s all you need to sit behind a drum kit!
Obviously you do get people like ‘Oh my god you’re amazing for a girl!’ and it’s just like, or ‘you’re the best female drummer I’ve ever seen.’ And I go, ‘am I the best drummer you’ve ever seen?’ ‘Well… I did see Stewart Copeland’ or name some drummer. I’m like, okay, so I don’t know actually, do I really take that as a compliment? But I’m not really not that bothered about my thing? A lot of women are and you know the whole feminist movement right now, but I’m just doing my thing and yeah I’m female… It’s never it’s never really been a problem so far. I might I might come across it but not yet. It’s good. Obviously you hear about all the bad stuff, it’s been pretty good so far.
There’s a band called Hands Off Gretel.
Oh, yeah, I know.
She’s commented about how she’s been treated in the industry.
I think that’s mostly to do with the crowd. There is something in London where a lot of men just go and see any band that’s playing there that’s female. But yeah, I mean, it’s never really bothered us. It’s just, it happens and it’s, I don’t know what to say about that. It’s just, you know, I mean, you’re not going to tell somebody that if it’s all men in the front like ‘we don’t want you here.’
But I’ve seen like, I’m sure there’s bands like them. I’m not going to name them, but I know exactly what you know, they have to put up with. And it’s a bit odd, some of it is yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it’s just for me it’s interesting because fortunately, unfortunately, however you want to view it I’m a male in a male dominated world. But I grew up with my mum and my sister so I’m very aware of females and my mum used to like paint the whole outside of the house and she built a driveway you know, so I’ve always grown up with strong women who are very capable so I’ve never seen women as not capable. When I see that hate and whatever or the ‘you’re alright for a girl’ it’s kind of like…
Yeah for a normal person you’d say it as a compliment like ‘you’re great’ but you wouldn’t go up to another girl and be like ‘well you’re alright for a girl’ I wouldn’t even have that thought process. But its is older people who say it and I think it can be generational and it probably is but a lot of the lot of the young people and I mean who cares? They’re much more progressive and an accepting they would never dream of saying; ‘you’re great for a guy’ or ‘you’re alright for a straight person’ it’s a lot of the older guys that have said that let’s just make that connection it probably is.
I hope it goes away and there are players like Anika Niles…
Oh yeah, yeah she’s amazing!
Yeah, flawless and Cora Coleman. You know, that all kind of coming through now and on the cover of drum magazines and stuff like that and giving the boys a run for their money and that’s great to see.
So going back to Salvation Jayne, You said you have a manager how did that come about?
We’ve had, he’s our second one. Well, our first one we didn’t have for too long. But he wasn’t really right for us he was managing a blues guy and we very much like ‘we want to be down the rock side’ so we kind of just parted ways but within two days we got somebody else who he totally gets where we want to be, gets our sound. Like he knows the right contacts as well. When we used to bring up a couple of new bands that we wanted to play with our old manager he wouldn’t have a clue who they were. As soon as you say a band to Aid, he would be like ‘oh yep I’ve heard of them!’ Which is just like Oh, thank God, you know. So amazing so far. He’s been great.
So is that his full time job?
No. It’s like his second job. But obviously, he’s like ‘you guys need to hurry up and make some money so I can quit my job!’
Oh, that’s cool. Obviously Dan records most of your stuff, why wouldn’t he? But you recently done a session with Sylvia Massy what was that like?
Yeah, that was pretty cool that day! She just walked into the studio, we were at a place called Rimshot in Sittingbourne which is this kind of barn that’s been made into a studio. It’s just amazing. It’s got these high ceiling and the ceiling is like this, like church ceiling almost. And she walked in and it’s, I don’t know, there’s some people you just get vibes from instantly like, you just knew that she was like, it was like a wise woman who she was like, wow, everything was like wow. She was like ‘wow that’s amazing!’ and she was so complimentary and lovely. It was the first time we had met her and you don’t ever know what people are going to be like and she said the same to us.
But she’s got these amazing stories and we just could tell that she been around the block in terms of working with people because she just was so cool. She was really the definition of cool! And she had these amazing ideas as well, like you’ll see in the videos that are going to come out like that’s what she’s kind of known for doing weird stuff. She put a little mini amp in my drum case and then something else and then she made like a mic out of a hose and… yeah you’ll see it all. There was something we didn’t have, there was some sort of mic or something to do with the bass drum we didn’t have she’s like, ‘have you got this?’ to the guy and he was like ‘no’ and she’s like ‘I’ll go and make one!’ She’s up there soldering making this mic. She was just insane. It was really lovely nice experience. Yeah. Looking forward to seeing. Well, there’s gonna be a documentary, probably two live sessions, so.
Okay, So was that just for a live session or was it for recording an EP or…
Oh yeah, they’re two new songs that are going to come out next year. They’re just live sessions that like, because we only had it for a day and she was kind of in between Abbey Road Studios one end and you’re going to Germany the other end but we got her down to Kent, got her knee deep in Sittingbourne.
I’ll Drink To That!
This band! So not only have you just recorded with Sylvia Massy, who just came out of Abbey Road, your bass players just come back from Mexico supporting The Cure, you just sold out probably the second biggest venue in your home town…
Haha I’ll have to have a celebratory drink later!
Yeah, you should! I mean, you know, for most of us that are trying to do it as well, you know, we’re stuck in the dingy dive bars and recording in the garages…
We’ve all been there!
You say your managers Aide? So did he hook that thing up with Sylvia or was that through…
No that was Dan. Sylvia is one of Dan’s heroes. Sylvia has always been someone that Dan’s like ‘I’d love to work with her’. We just randomly emailed her manager and were just like, ‘we’re this band and we want to do this it’s going to be like one day…’ We were originally going to do a Redbull Studios in London, but for some I don’t know if it is availability or something, couldn’t do it there. And Dan knew the guy that owned Rimshot so literally it was so luck, because we were trying to get it done. I think it was the beginning of the year or end of last year we tried to get her and he said, she’s not gonna have any time but she’s back in September. Was it September? Yeah. And we try and like do something then. So it’s taken pretty much a year but everything kind of fell into place. So it was all through Dan.
Back To The Future.
So what’s next for you guys? You know you just maxed out a 500 capacity venue, recorded with Sylvia… There’s gotta be big steps are you allowed to say?
I think most people know that next year we’d like to put out an album. It would be nice to get someone to put it out for us so it’s not self released, but if it is then it’s no big deal but an album I guess would be lovely. What else? Well, now we’ve got booking agent I suspect will be doing support tours for a while, we have got show coming up in February. So that’s the next thing really and then the rest of the year, so festivals would be nice. I think that’s gonna be the main thing for next year festivals. Because that’s really hard. We’ve tried. I’ve emailed so many people to try and get on festivals, but there’s only so far you can get, you literally do have to have that booking agent to get you in.
I mean, that’s really cool! Like I say, just opening up my phone, opening up Instagram and over the last week, just seeing the success that you guys have kind of had. You know, it’s like ‘Oh recording Sylvia. Three days later sold out the Quarterhouse.’
It doesn’t feel like that for us you know, but yeah I guess…
But it’s good. It’s like I say big things. It’s great to be in this tiny little town and just see people you know, and that you distantly call friends kind of start to get somewhere.
Well yeah I know what you mean. I was friend’s with a couple of the guys in Mooseblood. I went to college with one of them and just seeing them at the same time, like fuck! It’s so good that somebody from local is doing really well, but at the same time you’re like, ‘I really wish that was me!’
Our photographer Sean, he’s done pretty much all of our promo and he, he took pictures of us on Friday, and he was sort of saying the same thing. It’s just like, you know, ‘It’s really awesome but I’d love that to be me!’ I know exactly that feeling.
It’s crazy opening your phone and seeing this, that and the other, as long as it doesn’t stop.
Yeah, it’s like, Oz [Craggs] You know, when Feed The Rhino opened Reading Festival the other year it’s like ‘that dude lives in my town!’ you know, and Oz has been around donkeys. You can’t think of Folkestone without thinking about Oz. Yeah, and oddly enough, when I went to uni, Mike and Ben from Lower Than Atlantis were on my course, briefly, for like a couple of months.
Because they were gigging?
Yeah and then Lower Than Atlantis just skyrocketed. But there’s that thing of, when I look at Lower Than Atlantis I’m like ‘I know them! They went to uni. They sat in my class.’
She’s A Beauty!
We’ve got to talk about your kit because everybody does.
The Pearl one right?
Yeah the white Pearl one that’s in all the videos. If you haven’t seen it, you need to see it.
It’s a cool looking thing.
It’s stunning! What is it turquoise?
It’s like a turquoise glitter half hybrid, what they call a hybrid over SJC. But it’s basically its half Maple and half Acrylic and obviously you can see through the acrylic.
I mean it is stunning! I often scroll through my phone and am like ‘OMG that’s amazing!’
That’s why I fell in love with it really.
Was that your design or did you just see in the shop?
No, that was SoundAttak in Essex. Went over there, I just wanted to look at a drum kit and I me and, it was Glenn Harvey who was in Mooseblood, me and him we’re always looking at SJC kits when we were in college together and we were both always like ‘wouldn’t it be great to get a…’ and this was like years and years and years ago so it always kind of dreamt of having an SJC. So that was the nearest place to here that stocked them. So me my dad went over there and go in there and it was pretty much three kits and that was one of them. There was another one that was all black but they had kind of lights in the middle of it, I think it was just coated and I played that at the drum show and I liked it, really liked it. But to be honest, when I walked in there and saw my one, I think one of the main guys there was like ‘that is one that we have had made. So on that on that drum kit each drum has a badge that says 500thkit and it was their 500thkit by SJC so they were like ‘oh my god it’s gonna be 500 kits we sent to you guys do you want to design one?’ And Scott I think his name is? Literally he designed that, that is his design, but I went in there and it’s mine because I bought it! I just kind of fell in love with that and then at the same time I bought the snare that I’ve got. I got the Brave Little Toaster which was engraved in it which was hand burned by I think it’s the drummer in The Academy Is, they call him ‘The Handy Mother Baker.’ I think that’s what his nickname is I’m pretty sure that he was in The Academy Is so that’s cool. And I’ve had that ever since and that’s been my main snare ever since. But the only thing is with that kit, it is really heavy. So that’s why you don’t often see me with it. If I’m out. If I’m doing a covers gig, I would never take that kit. I would take the little, I’ve got a little Pearl Export that’s more fusion sizes and I’ll just take that. But like Friday that SJC kit just looked amazing! So you can’t really beat it! Like if we ever did a headline tour I’d take that kit.
What size is that bass drum because that looks like a cannon?
Yeah, I think it’s 22” x 24” or is it 24” x 24”? You know what I’m really bad at stuff like this, like a lot of drummers know ‘that’s 16 by blah blah blah’ and I’m just, I don’t even know my snare size! I just know I like it and that’s kind of enough for me. I had this conversation with Dan, Dan is kind of the same he gets lots of gear geeks, but I’m just not really… But I’m pretty sure it’s; 22” x 24”, 16” x 16”, 12” x 8” and my snare is? I don’t know… I don’t know what that snare is but it sounds great and it’s done me but the bass drum is bloody massive!
It sounds great!
Yeah it does. It’s really stunning. Yeah again growing up, Sound Attack, I always used to love the Orange County stuff?
Yeah it’s Travis right! And his was always custom and I think that’s why when they kind of stopped SJC kind of overtook with the whole custom drumkit thing. Even I would have loved to own an Orange County.
I don’t know what happened to them?
I heard that Yamaha had brought them and started making kits and then it all kind of just stopped.
I mean because Travis has had the same kit now for the last two tours. But yeah, I think the whole custom thing was always like, WOW! And I’d scroll through Sound Attak’s website and be like ‘if only I had £1200!’
Sometimes more in fact!
The only thing that I always kind of worried about with custom kits was the sound like, you know, because the bigger companies would invest in making the shells and it’s like, does this kid know how to make shells that sound good? But that SJC….
Well enough people use them now. Tre Cool I noticed uses them now. What’s endearing about it is that every kit is different, every kit sounds different, if you had the money you could literally make your dream drum kit and they’re really nice guys as well! They’re always reposting my pictures, they’ve just got that engagement there with the people that buy their stuff.
Yeah I think they’re incredible! I do love my Mapex but if I had the money I would have the custom, just for that fact of having a hand in designing it.
You’ve just got to know what it sounds like that’s the only thing, you don’t really know what you’re going to get until you try it.
13″ x 7″ Is The Magic Number.
Yeah but they do make amazing kits. Obviously you’ve just brought the Tama snare that Eddy [Thrower] has.
I’m definitely not brand… you know what I mean? I wouldn’t go ‘oh my god I can only have SJC snare’ like no way. That snare is the only snare in such a long time where I’ve just gone, That sounds amazing I’ve got to get it! Then I looked at the price, 250 quid! That’s how much it costs me for that, and every time I’ve used it, I’ve had compliments on it. Sylvia Massy, Dan said, when they were listening to the sound check she was going ‘WOW! What is that snare?!’ and she just recorded Taylor Hawkins.
Right. And she’s got so many drummers coming in and yet she says that snares one of the best snares she’s ever heard. So I mean, come on… and it is, It’s absolutely amazing so I’m definitely not parting with that anytime soon.
I’m adamant that it’s the size of it because it’s a 13” by 7”, not that you probably knew that because you’re not to hot on sizes…
I knew it was a 13” but I don’t know about the 7 bit…
But yeah, I’ve got a 13” by 7” and I just love it, and then the Joey Jordison snare is 13” by 7”. Every time I’ve heard a 13” by 7” its just being that magic.
Yeah, it just seems to be that perfect size and it kind of feels better as well between your legs. You’re not knocking your legs on the snare, it’s nice.
Match(in or out?)
Yeah, definitely. I mean so many drummers, and I have to put my hands up, I am one of those that’s like ‘it has to be matching’ I’m kind of anal about that.
You’re not alone there’s so many people the same.
Yeah, I’m all Zildjian, all Evans etc. You did a video in Anchor Baby and you were like ‘yeah I’ve got Meinl, I’ve got Sabian, I don’t care’
My hihats in my house are Zildjian, the cracked ones because obviously Zildjian’s always crack… No offence. I love you Zildjian you can sponsor me… My Meinl’s have just been amazing. I’d love to be, In the future, all Meinl would be good.
Yeah I think Meinl just again came out of nowhere really.
Yeah. It was just Sabian when we were growing up, well pretty much Zildjian because you had Travis but then we had Sabian and no, there was Soultone that sort of came up with YouTube and they kind of got quite big and then you’ve got all these other ones now but Meinl have kind of stolen my heart.
Yeah. If I could, not that I have a mortgage, but if I could re-mortgage to buy a whole set of Meinl’s I would. But no, it’s cool. Like it’s cool meeting drummers that aren’t too anal about it. Because you know I am. It’s like I just this new kit, and I love my Premier 13” by 7” but this new kit comes with a Mapex snare and now everything’s Mapex.
It does look nice when it’s matching.
On my old kit I never really used the 12” Tom so I bought Evans heads for the 10” and the 14”. Then I started using the 12” and it’s got a Remo on it and I’m like [makes disgusted face]. It just bugged me. It sounded great but it’s crazy.
Are You Sitting Comfortably?
What has been the biggest struggle in drumming for you? What I want to try and achieve as well is helping others get passed things because it’s supposed to be educational and insightful. Is there anything that you’ve come across in your many years of playing that you’ve just kind of hit the wall with and how did you get over that?
So in terms of like playing I guess a constant struggle has always been like my left hand. It’s never been what I want it to be and starting fills with my left hand is still something I have to really get my head round it’s not natural at all. I’ve got back issues, well it’s my sacrum, my joints between my hips and back and my physio is adamant that it is because my drum stool is designed for men. So this is a thing, if I ever got loads of money ever in my life I’m going to have a drum seat company that is specifically designed for women because we’re a different shape down there right and it’s true, but not there’s been a few girls have said, ‘oh my seats just not…’ and I’ve got a saddle seat which is shaped to my legs, but it’s not right you know it’s not good. That is something I want to do. I’m gonna make my left hand better and I’m going to make a drum seat especially for women. I don’t know what I’m going to call it yet? I’m going to think about it and if anyone steals it I’m going to be really upset.
Okay but you need someone with some seat knowledge.
There is a company out there, I found them on Instagram the other day. They’ve built a seat that’s like, it’s a circle seat made out of leather and it’s got a hole, like a line right in the middle of it and apparently that is supposed to be good for sciatica. It’s always drummers with back issues obviously.
Have you seen the Ahead stools? They’ve got a groove right down the middle…
That’s probably what I’ve seen.
Well, that’s kind of like what I’ve gotten out without the hole. My physio said to me like ‘Tor that’s like, it’s like bike seats, you know, you have to get a seat for a guy and seat for female.’ We need less of it, apparently. There you go, knowledge. That’s got nothing to do with your question really.
That’s fine. Any other female drummers, and I was trying not to be sexist in this whole thing, but clearly there’s a difference. So if you’re struggling with it let us know.
Yeah if anyone else It’d be really interested. I’m sure it hasn’t caused my issue I don’t think but it would be nice to have something that is you know…
Yeah, I mean, I’m trying to get a podcast with Ahead actually so I’ll let them know.
Talk to some physios as well because apparently we’re all different. I need to thing of other things I have an issue with.
Ain’t No Mountain High Enough.
Clearly maybe you don’t have any!
Well now I’m just trying to think of some major… because I do a lot of art in the day and that’s normally the time when I can practice at home, I get a lot of time where I’m doing something and I probably would like to practice more. I think every drummer will say that unless you can practice a lot. Like Eddy’s got his diary and is [scheduling] practicing like ‘that day, that day, that day etc,’ like it’s not really feasible for most people.
Except that’s going to change now with little Trav, bye bye practicing Eddy…
That would be you know, trying to practicing more, just getting my head around linear which I can do to an extent but not like, I can’t do certain things which would be nice. I think we’re all like, we want to do things that we can’t do is probably everyone’s answer.
I think linear is funny because I teach loads of people that have never drummed before and there’s always that; ‘I can coordinate my hands but not my foot.’ So linear stuff with beginners, Just the kind of the offbeat [taps out offbeat hihat pattern] you know it’s kind of a little bit easier because they’re not having to coordinate everything.
Yeah well I teach as well right, I know exactly what you mean.
You get so far in drumming and then linear becomes this problem.
Because it’s not that anymore it’s like I mean this fill It was like left right right foot duh duh duh foot duh foot… basically it’s a paradiddle of sorts but different versions of and replacing a bass drum as well with a left or a right hand. That literally makes me I have to do it so slow, ‘ok that one there and that there’ because doing fills is quite hard to do putting bass drums in because they’re usually with a hit, they’re rarely without.
Yeah I always try and chuck some feet in. I tell my students ‘you may have four drums you can reach with your hands but you’ve got a fifth one with your foot and why wouldn’t you use that sound in your fills?’
Home Is Where The Art Is.
You’ve mentioned a few things there, I have seen your artwork; it’s insane.
What can’t you do that’s not insane?
I can’t do maths you know, I’m a creative person.
Yeah Okay so is the artwork kind of your day job?
No I teach and I’m in a very privileged situation I live at home mum and dad and they’re very supportive of me and what I can do and they know that we really want to push the band, and that is our goal, we want to be a big band. So they kind of let me do that and then in between, I’m sort of doing artwork and drum lessons. I did a Spiderman one and that was like prize money, which is nice. I want to do more of those because there’s a website you can go on and you can enter your artwork and win money, which is good because it’s for people that don’t really have a portfolio you know you’re not really going to get money out of art, It’s as hard as it is the doing music or whatever. So I’ve been doing that. Hopefully we’ll start making some money from the band, that’d be nice because at the moment every bit of money we make goes straight back in so none of us sees any money from the band. It would be nice to make a living from the band.
I suppose that kind of helps keep that momentum building in the band because then you’ve got that financial backing to take it to the next level.
Anyone that’s in a job and it’s their full time job and doing a band, an originals band there’s no way… I worked in H&M in Canterbury, this was before Salvation Jayne this was just me doing covers gigs, but I need to be at a venue at half seven and I was still in there working. We closed at six but because there’s no staff you’re still there at half seven. That’s why I quit; I had to be like no I couldn’t do this. Everyone in Salvation Jayne like, Dan works for himself, Chess works for herself, I work for myself. Holly I think works for a family member who is really easy going. Any job where any of us have been in that you know it’s a nine to five just doesn’t work. You know? I think that’s what a lot of people probably that are in originals bands, I think Neil was saying about that wasn’t he because I listen to your one with Neil.
How? Just How?
Yeah, I mean, he’s working in a call centre at the moment.
But you can’t just get up and be like, ‘I’m gonna go on tour’ without a good notice but even then people just get annoyed.
Yeah, you have to use up your holiday.
I don’t know how the guys from Get Inuit, sorry Indoor Pets did it because they all worked until really late. Even Mooseblood worked until really late. So there’s obviously ways of doing it.
Jamie from Indoor Pets was a teacher or something and Scott from Sirens & Shelter he was a teacher as well. He was a head of department but he was always out on the road.
I don’t really know how people do it?
So do you teach from home?
Yeah. It must be nice to have your own place. It’s not I mean, you know, having strangers come into your house, and it’s my mum and dad’s house and I just live there.
It’s not really great, but at the same time it does the job. It’s nice for me I can do my artwork; right doors rung I can go let them in and do that. So it’s pretty cushy. It’s fine I can’t complain.
If people want lessons from you how did they go about it?
So anybody in the area hit the links.
White People Can’t Shed.
You must have seen the video with Aaron Spears, Gerald Heyward, Nisan Stewart and Cora Coleman Dunham? I wanna get that going are you up for that?
Yeah! I’m up for that just basically a shred.
Yeah, I mean just go next door; me, you, Neil and maybe Matt Verrel and just start shedding. You up for that?
Yeah I’m up for that like a proper gospel shed right? Like a shed shed. We can chop even though we’re all white?
So she’s like balanced the female thing but now she’s gone racist…
I haven’t, I haven’t. I’m not being funny but they’re all brought up in the church and they have that background we just don’t have and they know what they’re doing and it sounds great.
I was at Uni there was this church and I went there thinking it would be the same kind of thing but English churches are not the same.
Some in London are. I’ve got a friend who plays with like Ray Black and Sam Henshaw etc he has a church and all the clips he posted up it’s like… he’s I think like the MD and I’m just like ‘oh my god I’m going to have to see if he will let me sit in.’ Me and my friend Ben love that sort of thing, we’d love to just watch to be honest. I’d love to experience it.
I mean the Kick Snare Hat DVD, There’s a scene where Gerald is in a church with his uncle and his uncle is just playing an organ and he’s just chopping away and it’s just like Wow!
Back In The Tracks.
That’s what I was gonna ask, do you have backing tracks live with Salvation Jayne or is it all live?
It’s all live. Well we have these samples, so we have an intro that’s a sample and we have some in between songs. In an ideal world I’d have in-ears and we’d use some backing tracks live giving the production live just a little bit more of a you know, cushion. Honestly though it’s just, Chess has got her Korg now, but we’ve just kind of got four things going on it’d be nice to have that extra little bit, some of the things that we do in the studio and have them constantly there. We’d all love like putting in a bit of electric pop stuff, which you can’t really play live. A bit like PVRIS, you know what they did on the first album with the rock and the electro sounds mixed in. So one day that might be good but at the moment no.
There’s a video you shot in that studio where you’re playing a Roland or a Yamaha?
Oh yeah it’s a Roland, not one of the ones with the red stuff the old one the TDT TDX TDX? TDX rings a bell, it’s probably not but it’s the older version of the one that everyones got. We’ve got to do an acoustic set actually in December and I’ve just got to sit and go and gather a load of, because I’ve lost all my electronic sounds on my old computer because it died, So I’ve got now to go on our trusty reddit group and find loads of sounds for us for our new set. It’s kind of different, I like love that sort of thing.
So is that yours or Dans?
Yeah that’s mine.
Could you not whack some samples on there?
Yeah, I could do that. So I mean, we do want to do that. I think our new demo, is it a demo? As far as I can remember, there’s a beginning of our new songs where we’re going to have an electronic snare. But again, it’s one of them that’s not been played live yet and we’ve only done a demo of it but it’s there, I’ve got the pad.
So obviously Neil’s playing with backing tracks now. I’ve been kind of intrigued about it. There’s an Alesis version of it that I like and obviously Eddie’s been using one on the Busted tour.
Oh, is that the Roland one?
Yeah, you know he’s gonna have the best of the best. I think that’s kind of creeping more and more in this kind of electronic blend.
I think everything you put on the radio now, it’s not rock songs it is. A lot of people, well I do I’ll listen to anything and it’s just quite nice to… I don’t know? Like the Bring Me The Horizon album like for me this year is my album of the year, I love it. You know, obviously anyone that loves heavy Bring Me The Horizon hates it, but it’s literally, you know you’ve got the interlude type songs, Jordan I think his name is, the guy that does the synth there obviously he’s the brains behind those parts, I just love it it’s insane.
So that mix for me I was just like Wow. For our new intro I took some Bring Me The Horizon in to show Dan and he went off and got his inspirations for it to make a new intro. The people who came to the Folkestone show would have heard it and it’s really cool. Dan was like ‘I’ve hit a brick wall. I don’t know what to do with this.’ I went in and said put in a drumbeat in that bit there, like a hip hop one. He did it and I’m sorry but when that kicks in it just sounds so good! Everyone’s like ‘oh what’s going on here?’ So that sort of thing with our sound works. That is really with what we’ve got live, it’s nowhere near what we can do. So it’s like, there when we want it to be. We’ve all got ideas.
I think, for me, it’s quite surprising to hear that because obviously having Dan in the band, you’ve probably got more ability than most bands for that stuff.
Oh, yeah, it’s just what works. We’ve definitely mentioned it about me having a track one day, it’s just because we don’t, we haven’t. It’d be nice to have a nice rig with in-ears and I control everything, pretty much what Eddie’s got, you know.
Drummers Not Drum Machines.
As for radio the bit I don’t like, I’m very open to music but bit I don’t like is that as drummers were very exposable. You get these new things coming through and there’s no idols for people to grab hold of it’s a drum machine or something. Because, you know we had Travis and stuff like that where you get into a band you gravitate towards a drummer. I don’t know if you have it with students but sometimes I get students in and I’m like, ‘who do you listen to?’ and they rattle off some people and I’m ‘there’s not a drummer in there!’
I’m like ‘right, so these are fake drums’ and they’re like ‘what do you mean by that?’ and so I show them that it’s literally played in with that key there on my Mac and that’s all they’re doing for the whole song. It’s the only beat that’s on there.
It’s kind of worrying.
I’ve got a guy just come back to me called David, I teach him and he always loved is rock music. He brought me this song by Royal Blood, Where are you now? I think it is. And he was like ‘listen to this I can’t get it.’ So listen to it. And he’s got this really weird bass drum pattern to it. And I was like, ‘Oh my God, I hate you for bringing me something that’s difficult but at the same time, I love you for it because it.’
It’s in 6 it took me a whole half hour to get my head around it. I’ve notated it now for the next lesson. There are kids out there that listen to good music you know, he’s already text me some new songs which is great but I mean yeah radio is just lame. Kids now they’ve got Spotify, they’ve got every single thing you could ever have dreamed up literally a click of a finger to discover new and there’s new music playlists whereas we would be sitting on Limewire being feed whatever was coming through the speakers.
There’s so many younger ones now. I’m just like; you need to listen to these people because…
But then they sit there and their mind wonders and their bored. It’s hard I feel sorry for teachers in schools because it must be quite difficult.
It’s kind of a hard one because I get a lot out of idols like watching Benny Greb or Todd Sucherman or Aaron Spears and just going ‘shit you can do that with this instrument!! That’s a human, I’m a human it’s achievable, you know, and it’s kind of trying to ascertain that.
I think if anyone, any kid this that wants to be a musician is gonna be open to pretty much anything.
Yeah. I think the bit that grates me is kind of what happened to Fall Out Boy, where you’ve got this incredibly insane drummer and on the latest few albums you’ve just turned him into this drum machine
Yeah Five Seconds Of Summer have just done that. They were actually quite a good pop-rock / indie band and now they’re new stuff like one of the my kids bought this song in for me and it was like ‘God this is Five Seconds?’ Even PVRIS’ new songs just… and I feel like it’s that you know record label saying that to sell more records but at the same time there is this gap now of a good rock band. Like they’re all just doing not. Even Green Day sound a bit pop now. It’s really kind of weird.
I would be really hacked off if I was Andy [Hurley] playing Dance Dance and stuff like that I’d be happy and then it would get to something off of Mania…
He might be quite happy about it…
He might be but for me it feels a bit of, you wouldn’t do to anyone else in the band, you wouldn’t say to a guitarist like you’re going to play guitar it’s going to sound like a MIDI guitar and you’re just gonna play this loop.
Exactly there’s a new PVRIS song, one of the two that I have listened to and there’s no guitar at all. I was like hang on let me see the writing credits, neither of the other two are on the writing credits.
Blink 182 2.0
But then there’s kind of salvation with 21 pilots because…
They’re kind of the biggest thing in the world and doing hip hop and all this other kind of crazy stuff, Josh is kind of up there doing all this…
They’re still a rock band even though they’ve got all these other influences like they’re not indie they’re not pop they’re not they’re just literally all these different things but that’s what makes them. I think they’re cool. I love them.
I love them. I think if I was a kid now, that would be my Blink . The custom kit, the energetic half naked drummer.
That’s a good question who would be my Blink ?
And even I was sceptical about the new Blink  album.
I love it. Do you love it?
I love it I really do but when I saw the cover I was like ‘shit have they turned Travis into a drum machine?’ Is this just going to be hyper produced?
There’s no way Travis would be…
It panicked me and I think I said on Twitter about how this both excites me and scares me because if I lose Travis as a human, not that he is… He literally must be so bored now that is taken to gimmicks like putting the towel over his head and reaching around the back of him.
Oh yeah, like when he’s doing his crazy single rolls and stuff.
Yeah like ‘what can I do? Just play from around my back.’ But maybe there is a gap in the market for a hard hitting female fronted rock band to fill the void.
I’d drink to that.
I’m very excited to see what happens with you and Salvation Jayne. Like I say, I have lived in this town my whole life and one day I will play at Leas Cliff Hall, if I’m the only person there and it cost me two grand to rent it out, I will play on that bloody stage!
Is that how much it costs?
I don’t know? But to see friends and stuff like that, you know, fill out a venue like that where I literally think I saw Reel Big Fish there and Steve Harris’s band from Iron Maiden. But then to see my friends achieve that it’s exciting. Like, I love seeing what Riskee [and the ridicule] are up to because like ‘I know those guys!’ I’m proud for you all and kind of what you’re achieving and I’m personally very excited to see where that goes. I’m going to extend the same offer that I did with Neil, if you ever want to write a blog post, transcribe a song, you know, feel free to get involved. Apart from Eddy [Thrower] there’s nothing really challenging Drumeo in the UK which is kind of what I want to get to, so combining the talents of everybody would be would be great.
But we definitely need to, maybe we can go viral when we shed!
Yeah! We can call it ‘When white people try and shed!’ Not that I’m insulting anyone by the way! It would be funny. It would be great!
White people can’t shed.
Yeah perhaps that should just be the series name ‘White people can’t shed’.
It’s going to happen when Tor and Neil have enough time in their schedules because they’re both on an upward trajectory, we will sort this shed out! It will be amazing and it will blow Youtube up! We will certainly see that gender has nothing to do with it because she is going to wipe the floor with us, I can tell you that! So, thank you for taking time to come down here.
Thanks for having me.
You’re welcome anytime.